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Hello dear players. In the light of openness, we want to publish a statement on the state of our Underground Multiplayer server and the reasoning which has led us to the current situation where we're openly at disagreement with the UG:MP's management team. This is just a summary of the whole story. Behind these statements and the messages in the screenshots, there is a massive amount of "soft" communication before it came to the situations described here. - We had to do the whole server in 15 days to make it playable and interesting That's right, we were informed about 15 days before the UG:MP release, that it would release. So in 15 days, we had to completely rework our existing SA:MP script, adapt it to allow UG weapons, vehicles, skins, weathers and other ton of custom things, and we also had to scrape most of the information off of their website because dkluin wasn't willing to provide us some things such as a complete list of weapon names, vehicle model names, tuning component names and such from the source code. Which resulted in a lot of manual work, while there was already barely time. It is practically a miracle that we managed to pull this off in such a short time and with such an immense amount of testing we had to perform. We also in that time converted a lot of features and changed them to supplement a heavier roleplay style server. (dates are in American format, it's 06/12/2020) - They wanted us to close our SA:MP server and completely merge into UG:MP Yeah, they actually wanted us to close the SA:MP server and merge the players into UG:MP. Effectively forcing players to go play UG:MP if they wanted to play on our server. We obviously rejected this as our goal as a gaming community is to expand on platforms, not just center ourselves on one platform. Hence we decided to expand onto UG:MP, and on FiveM and on SA:MP and such. As can be seen in the screenshots, they never communicated this, but were holding all kinds of one-sided expectations towards us. - They repeatedly demanded admin levels in the server They firstly asked for admin levels in the server on the release so they could set their skins and such. We allowed that as it was the release and didn't see any issues with it. However, after the release, they resumed asking for admin levels and we were quite unhappy about that as we were trying to maintain the sovereignty of our server and not make it appear to them as if we are their subsidiary or something alike. Additionally the admin level was mainly used to test things (or even fuck around) at the cost of actual players. This was also harmful for our image as a server. They were also on multiple occasions asking for roles on our discord server to highlight themselves, however we rejected this and I specifically said we'd give them a role when Kalcor comes and gets his role. Why should we give them a special role when we wouldn't give a role to the creator of SA:MP or FiveM either? - They were given our suggestions for installer, better client, etc.. and kept acting in denial about it We told them very early on that an installer would ease things up and make it simple for an average computer user to install the mod. They would usually say "all it takes is to drop files into game directory". Yeah, firstly the files shouldn't even be downloaded from some third party sites like gta modding or moddb but should have been readily available for download from their main page with a big easy to find download button. From the moment we started developing to make it to the UG:MP release in time, we had the best intentions on making it all a success. With that came sometimes harsh but necessary suggestions. These suggestions were waved away while other irrelevant things were being developed. They ended up adding the installer quite some time later after hosting a poll. - They were constantly playing other servers and tagging @ everyone on their discord but never came on ours You probably observed this if you were in their discord. They'd repeatedly play other servers and tag @everyone on discord to check it out with them. However they basically never did it for our server, which was also the first and only server that moved to their platform which had a big community behind it and whose developers and owners invested immense time and effort into getting it ready in time for release so that their platform release wouldn't be a flop without any server to play on. This shows they want all the gain, but not the costs. - They were using hacks on the server in front of players and thereby ruining its public opinion They frequently joined our server and flew around using a surfly mod. This made the server look unprofessional and unserious, especially as they were holding admin levels which they demanded and it was supposed to be a heavy roleplay server. Imagine joining a heavy roleplay server and seeing admins fly around like supermen. It was just making the public image and opinion of our server bad. - The Truth was quite frequently unprofessional and using his position for malicious things Firstly he was asking to reserve the big mansion on the middle island in Vice City for himself. When I rejected it, he was saying how he wouldn't fix the issues with the modeling of it otherwise, citing his position in UG. I also asked for him to remove all the gates from houses on that rich island of Vice City so players could purchase those houses and use the yards. He did not want to do it. Then, dkluin told him to do it anyway as we stated that the houses would be useless when they were closed off by mapped gates. During testing, he was frequently distracting our management team and development team from testing the necessary things, and asked from them to instead take pictures with him, roleplay with him, freeroam around, etc. This while a whole team of people from Valrise were trying to work hard to find bugs, both ours and those UG:MP related. - The truth's public shaming of the server in UG discord Truth played our server for months on SA:MP. He was in police department and in SWAT division. His name was Stefano_Truthano. He repeatedly in that time complimented our server and was showing excitement for it to join UG:MP. Then suddenly, in recent weeks, he was in public chats on UG discord saying that the name of our community is a banned word there, and asking individuals who were asking him questions about our community to not remind him of it, implying it was a terrible server and a community. Additionally he was blaming all problems on us by downplaying our features, while he knew exactly what he was getting due to him having actively played on our SA:MP server. - dkluin's constant attacks on SAMP as a platform, calling it dead, bad, etc.. dkluin, as you can find in his message history, frequently attacked SA:MP as a platform, stating it's dying, and that UG:MP can kill it off, and attacking players who spoke of SA:MP on his discord and such. It's quite ironical when he gets all offended and aggressive when somebody critiques his own platform, isn't it? I mean, if you can call SA:MP a dying platform, why can't somebody call UG:MP a dead platform? What's the difference? At least you don't get banned on SA:MP discord for saying that. - Them ironically being offended when having their platform called out As mentioned above, I in a few occasions called the platform out for not having players. They responded to my messages (which were public) by telling me to "watch my tone" and claiming I was being disrespectful and whatnot. Note the above point, where dkluin on multiple occasions states the same about SA:MP. I believe it's quite hypocritical for a person that is supposed to be a lead manager of a platform to behave in such an unstable way and not realize the objective fact that the platform he is a developer of attracts no players. And instead of addressing the issues and the causes behind it, he prefers to go around and ask people to shut up. - dkluin's abuse of power banning Jason Maxwell and warning him for not even hostile or badly written statements saying they should've released sooner Yeah, there was a discussion recently on UG discord (which was deleted by dkluin) where Truth was calling our server out, among other servers and stating they are the reason for lack of players on the platform. I responded by asking him to not blame the servers for the lack of players on the platform, and I showed an image of all servers on their platform with no players, and told them that it's impossible for ~30 servers to be bad and the cause of their lack of players. To this, obviously, they responded in a rather hostile manner, as can be seen in images below, and ended up banning Jason Maxwell, who quite calmly and objectively presented a statement to them. - These discussions we held here where we objectively laid down points and they constantly took them as attacks and unconstructive criticism On multiple occasions I have attempted, along with Weston, Mikro, and Jason Maxwell to reason with them and provide them with objective and constructive suggestions to potentially boost their player base on the platform. However, they appeared to always take these as offenses and disrespect, pointing back to our server as the cause for the lack of players and claiming the scripts were part of the issue, the management another part of the issue, and the lack of factions another part of the issue. He would rarely go on to say that the root cause is the lack of players on the platform itself. Conclusion This whole history of what happened in the past months, ended yesterday when a discussion occurred between us and a UG manager RzDat. For communication between UG and Valrise, we have a liaison channel on our discord. In the past months dkluin and The Truth already left our discord because of our critique, leaving only RzDat remaining as a UG representative. Once again we got called out and put in a corner. As always we came with a structured response, once again hoping on our arguments to be accepted into a good discussion. The last constructive discussion as show in the above screenshot, ended in RzDat removing the whitelist position of Valrise for no reason. At the same time Mikro was banned from their discord, solely based on the one reply in the screenshot above. I hope this demonstrates that it is impossible to work with them. We put a ton of effort into helping them release their long overdue project. While other servers and communities were holding back, we went the extra mile to be ready at the release date. Just to be greeted with ignorance, disrespect and unprofessional actions afterwards, as substantiated above.

Brian Kim was born at All saints hospital. His parents including him was living at Las collinas LS. His childhood was going on like a normal school boy till the age of 15. His favorite sport was table tennis and whenever he got a chance to play something he was always ready to play that sport. At 10th standard, he was also selected for the inter-school competition of table tennis. That was his first time being selected in any activity like this. As he was very insignificant in his studies he started playing more sports based on daily activities. But the turning point came in his life when he saw his life ahead for the international sports team of table tennis. He was very excited about that. On the day of the tournament, he was waiting for his parents to come but sadly he got the news that they met an accident with SWAT. Criminals, we're hunted by them but SWAT accidentally crashed into their vehicle. At that time they were taken to the hospital but in the middle of the way, they died as wounded severely. When this info was given to him he could not play at that time as he was closely attached to them. That day he lost the match and all the reputation he got was turned zero. His life was now chaotic. After this all things, he started to work as a mechanic at Idlewood, but he was done by this. So he tried to join Paramedic and he was selected at the age of 19 years. After months at Las Colinas, he saw a criminal group exchanging drugs with each other, A guy saw him and asked him if he will give them transportation to the heroin shack they will pay him an ordinary base. So he accepted this offer and used a paramedic helicopter without knowing the seniors of the paramedic team. Slowly he noted that this guy is earning so much amount of money and guns. His mind changed and his partner Eren was also with him. They both left LS and shifted to the Bone country, a Ghost town, and started stealing drug vans and cooked meth and heroin there for months. They earned a lot of money from this. They were happy and continued this for months, But on a fine day, a leader of a criminal group came and invited them. They think for 2 days and accepted the invite. Now they are a loyal member of the group and doing criminal activities to make their own life good.

if nothing else, these guys produced one of the most entertaining drama sequences in the history of mudoo, this was a fun read lol

Indeed Pete. It was fun testing and hoping we'd have a Heavy Roleplay server. Sadly the platform owners are beyond unreasonable. Much thanks to Mikro and Mathew for developing this headache. And the countless hours spent trying to fix the so called "easy migration".

I want to thank all who tested, developed or worked on the server as I legit was fanboying and hoping this would work and we made the server out of thin air in negative time. Even tho it failed I am thankful for at least trying and spending some time in-game

Pretty much a waste of time and mental capacities, Overground RP's script features could have been made in Valrise instead of tryharding in 15 days.

Name: Anonymous Comment: 100% Agreed the Police Department needs an heavy purge to remove this kind of bullshit happening

Name: Unknown Comment: The department needs a purge, I am not quite adept to seeing such bullsh*t and the state must take a step regarding that.. it is a topic to be discussed. Waiting for the governor's input.

Yes both premiers are still available

We can move that property if you wish so. Contact a senior admin in-game.

That's a shame close pls

We Owners Of the shops need a low tax system Because This 70 percent tax kills the owner taking example of mask If the owner sell mask for 25k i get 8k from it and the restocking price is 13.5k also we have to restock our shop with contacting trucking companies which charges us like 50k+ for sure 300 crates So concluding with this that owners did not get profit from this Yes if we Make our products price high then for 100 percent i am sure customers will go and buy to other shops Please change the tax system we need some profit if low then also agreed