Christian

Okay. Realistically speaking in that case everyone would be paying taxes and I can pretty much assume that the current paychecks are the netto salary (after taxes). There are no other options. Also, if there would actually be taxes, wouldn't everyone have them? And not just the ones who have a lot of money?

Don't you think that the group which is being led by management doesn't look at logs and they don't know about it OOCly already? Would make a lot of sense if the server was made to have most people being legal. Still doesn't make sense that they should take money from peoples savings accounts rather than from their income. If they made the server better, I don't think that a lot of people would mind that. Here is an answer to that.

Oh, please. I'm one of the biggest if not actually the biggest drug lords in this server. There aren't many people who deal even above 10kg so they can't really call themselves drug lordsl, while I deal with 100kg. So yea, I can confidently say that I am a drug lord and others are just local dealers. Okay. And? The server is made to be this way. A lot ofpeople don't see the point of working as a legal person as being legal person is boring and you don't get to interact with others as much as well as it doesn't pay anything so that's why people are either cops or criminals. We all pay taxes anyway (property, vehicle, toll), but I (and I believe that others too) don't want to pay such taxes from savings account. So what that it's a game? I explained above why I need money and why I think it's unfair for me. Indeed. Criminals don't pay income tax as it comes from illegal activities. Indeed. Criminals don't outnumber legal people irl, but I never said that they do. So get your own facts straight and stop saying that I said something which I didn't. I wonder what would happen if they made a server reset where they made an economy which actually works properly and they added/removed features from the server, but that's another topic for another day. They are trying to fix the situation in a bullshit way so of course people will be complaining. FBI could do it, if they were working properly. Once again, what would happen if government started taking money from your savings account? You wouldn't get "greedy"? I think you would as you busted your ass to get that money and it's being taken from you.

It's a problem that it's going to get removed in a bullshit way. Well.. Okay. It was a pretty bad example. Let's try a better one which would actually fit the current situation. Let's say that you live in Saudi Arabia, where there is no income tax. You have 1mil dollars. What would happen if government out of nowhere started taking 10% out of your bank account just because you are rich? I'd say they'd get bombed or some shit. Last time I checked, drug dealers and people who earn their money illegally don't pay income taxes. Once again. I made a bad example. Let me compare myself to El Chapo, Pablo Escobar or some other big drug lord. El Chapo isn't paying income tax > Christian Ryan also isn't paying income tax El Chapo is paying only tax for the items he has registered > Chrisitian Ryan also pays tax for his properties and his vehicles El Chapo hides his money in a way that government can't get to it > Christian Ryan stores his money in his bank account because he has no other way to store it. And somehow he must pay the taxes. If I was working as a trucker, I wouldn't complain about having to pay income tax. My income comes from dealing drugs, do I have to pay taxes to government for dealing drugs? You have misunderstood me. I have less than 10m in cash. It's enough to get a stash of 100kg drugs. In March I've gone through 300kg drugs = 3 stashes of 100kg.Yet I have nearly the same amount of money as I had when the month started the month, because the money is constantly being earned and spent. In order for me to get actually richer by drug dealing, I would have to go rambo mode as I did when TIM got created where I did 500kg in half a month due to having lots of connections as well as producing myself. Yet I don't want to do that as I have reached a point where it's pointless for me to get richer as I have everything I wanted to buy with money. All I want now is to maintain my wealth so I could do drug deals in future so I would have money for my day to day activities. I don't want to get richer, as there is no point in that, I don't want to get poorer as then I would have trouble doing drug deals and it would mean I would need other sources of income. I'm at a point where I have a balance between the money I make and the money I spend. The money is just there for drugs as buying and selling drugs is my job. And how about drug dealers? Will you aid them too?

There has been only 1 case where I have seen someone RP being homeless. It's the actual Homeless guy from Argonath who joined the server and left shortly afterwards... No one would do it. When you have items which require money to buy them, you start worring about it. I have less than 10m in my bank account, yet I need them so I could keep maintaining the 10m at 10m as I have to do drug deals with the 10m and I have to spend money on day to day activities.

Why is that a problem? Okay? And? They still worked to get their money, they put effort into it and now it's being taken from them and they can't do anything about it.. Why? How does that even make sense? What would happen if you had 10 000 pounds in your bank account and goverment just decided ''oh, that guy has a lot of money, let's 1000 pounds from his savings to make it more balanced.. other people are poor'' That's straight up robbing.It's not income tax or whatever, you are just taking someones wealth.. And it doesn't change anything for the poor people.. So how does that make sense in any way? Let's push it to the extreme - >Elon Musk is paying income tax. For every Tesla he sells, a part of money he generated goes to government... He sells 10k testlas and gets 50m, 10m goes to taxes. He earns money, government earns money. Everything is fine. >Elon has let's say 100b in his bank account. Government decides to take 10b from his bank account, because he is rich. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? Then maybe find another solution of how to get money from them instead of straight up taking it from their bank accounts. I have to pay the state half a million a month? For what? For having money in my bank account? How does this make sense? I'm active and I'm comfortable with the amount of money I have. I have enough money to do drug deals up to 100kg. From 100kg I get around 500k-1m and some fbi rats for myself. Getting such amounts of drugs isn't always easy. With the money and buy whatever I need in my day to day activities.. On average on these items in a day I spend.. PnS 15k /v tow 2k fuel 1.5k food 300 weapons armour 25k mask 7k painkillers 500 bls kits 5k other costs: 200 TOTAL: 56.5k x30 days = 1.7m a month and shit like that +property and vehicle taxes which are around 150k a month. So in total in a month I spend around let's say 2m Now on top of all this spending I need to get 1m more? Why?

My point isn't that cops shouldn't get guns for free or something. My point is the fact that Mr. Craze can't understand why money is such a big concern for others, because he hasn't done anything to get it and he been getting everything from someone else.

You are poor. >Ramo pls give money. >Pete pls give money I need armour and guns >Works in PD to get guns for free >Takes 50 sniper from warehouse for shootout for free. >Doesn't put any time and effort into getting things Well.. Duh, you don't understand why the money should be a concern, if you never had it and never understood how it works when you haven't done anything to get it. Some people enjoy having money as that is one less thing they should worry about. As well as they don't want to be pathetic and constantly begging others for money or items.

Well.. It's apparent that the management and players care about it. If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't have added such thing and people wouldn't be complaining. Also, This is you. Not everyone is like you.

If they added income tax, it would work like this.. The income tax would be 10%The client pays them 300$ per delivered crateThe employees deliver the crates and they get paid 270$ per crate (before taxes a.k.a. bruto)The owners get 30$ per delivered crate (before taxes a.k.a bruto) The employees actual salary be 243$ per crate (after taxes a.k.a. netto) The owners actual income would be 27$ per crate (after taxes a.k.a netto)

Wrong. Trucking companies will most likely get the same profit as they did before as they added wealth tax, not income tax. This is how trucking companies get profit.. The client pays them 300$ per delivered crate The employees deliver the crates and they get paid 275$ per crate The owners get 25$ per delivered crate In order for the money to be taxed, the company would need to earn 3m profit which means they would have to deliver 120 000 crates = 2400 trucks full of crates. However, most of the money would go back to where company invested their money - to buy vehicles, fuel, PnS. And in the end the owners would get a small cut of it for themselves as their actual salary. So no, they probably won't get taxed unless they have 3m+ in their group bank account.

Yep. It's because most of them are kids and they haven't worked to get a loaf of bread. All they see is that mummy and daddy go to work in morning, come back in the evening and food appears in their fridge. Same thing could be said about all other economy related stuff (such as the difference between profit, net profit, income and so on) ''Bro I Am Get 50k Profit Daily'' yet they don't consider that it's not actual profit as they have to restock it, pay for crate delivery, pay for property taxes.. So in reality they maybe get like 5k if not even lose profit if they haven't set the prices right.

You don't need money to roleplay, especially if you are a cop when you get everything for free and don't have to buy anything. However, you do need money to buy things. And money is a great motivation to interact with eachother as it gives some kind of reward to you and you can do a lot of things with money. -You wouldn't be able to buy a vehicle without money -You woun't be able to buy a property without money -You wouldn't be able to buy items from shops without money -You wouldn't interact with trucking companies if there was no money as I the whole reason they do it is... for money -You wouldn't make drug deals without money -You wouldn't make weapon sales without money -You wouldn't pay a fine without money -You wouldn't do most things if it wasn't for money. Why would someone do that? Those who want to be big millionares became millionares for that exact reason. When you are poor, you work for money. When you are rich, you make money work for you. Most people don't see it as a problem, because they haven't put time and effort into getting rich. Yet for those who did, it's a pretty big problem.

If the government started taking money from civilian saving accounts, without a doubt no one would like it. So I can bet that there would be huge protests if not assasinations going on in case something like this happened. It is normal to have income taxes in most countries, however I have never heard of government taxing money from savings accounts. And also, go ask your mum how the taxes work. Ask if government takes the taxes from her bank account or does the goverment takes taxes whenever she gets salary (income). They actally do. They get money from the current taxes we have- tolls, vehicle taxes, property taxes.

What have we done so that we would deserve our savings taken from us? We spend it on our "retirement" . We worked our asses off so we wouldn't have to worry about money. And now you are taking it from us? Doesn't make sense.

It's when you get salary, they tax it. The higher salary you get, the more they tax it. They don't take 50% from your savings account. They take it from your salary (income)

It's income tax.......

Indeed it's their own fault for being poor. It is not hard for people to earn money. Yeah, I showed how people can get multiple millions in less than a week if they want to put the effort in to it. Realistic? Where have you seena country which tankes 40% tax from your savings account? Please name me a country. There are some countries with high income tax which is basically the more you earn, the more government takes from your income... But there is a huge difference between savings and income. Yeah. They did it for a reason- so they wouldn't have to do it again and they could "retire" and not worry about money. They put a lot of time and effort into getting savings and it's being taken from them? Doesn't make sense.

Edited the lottery part so you would understand better how it works and why it would be better than the wealth taxation.

Added guide on how to get rich (in 2nd post) The taxation is bullshit and it's unfair to those who worked their asses off to get rich. I didn't say it in the original topic as it is locked. That could work, tho where would they get money from? I think the lottery would be a much wiser idea as it wouldn't piss anyone off. It's like an option, people can participate if they wish. And I feel like people would actually participate in the lottery if there would be winners all the time as they would actually have a chance of winning. Compared to the current lottery where almost no one participates as rarely they can win.

Suggestion for the wealth gap. There is one way in which it could be possible to make the gap smaller. Tho it's copied from IMRP. There is a state lottery going every now and then where players can purcahse as many lottery tickets as they wish. The lottery tickets cost different amount of money per lottery. The lottery has 3 winners which have different percentage. I don't recall the exact amount, but it's something like.. 40% 1st place 30% 2nd place 20% 3rd place 10% goes to ''poor people of the state'' which basically goes to people who have low networth. The suggestion is copied from IMRP. State lottery. It works like this. -Every hour the lottery happens -The lottery ticket price changes every lottery -People can buy as many tickets as they wish -The lottery has 3 winning tickets -Each winner gets 30% of the money from lottery -The 10% which are left goes to ''poor people of the state'' which are basically the people with low networth To me it seems like a better way to make the wealth gap smaller, because.. -It would encourage people to participate in lottery and they would most likely not care about the small percentage going to the poor people participatin. -The weath taxation is basically forcing people to pay against their will even tho they put a lot of effort into getting their wealth and I highly doubt that a lot of people would want to do that. ------------------------------------------------------------ Guide on how to get rich With that all being said, here is a guide for poor people on how they can get rich. It's actually not that hard as many people think. This is how I would do it if I was broke. Let's say the guy is a newbie and he has just imigrated to this server. -He should do all the basics - phone, gps, walkie talkie, drivers license, passport, weapon license. -He should go trucking and figure out the best route (I heard they can earn up to 100k per hour, at first it will probably be like 70k or something, but it's still better than nothing) -They should keep trucking until the dealer appears. -When dealer appears, they should buy ingredients to make heroin. -They should produce heroin in multiple shacks at the same time. -When they have made a kilogram or so, they should sell it. -With the money they should buy a cheap ass house somewhere which would be like a storage for them. -Next goal would be to get a vehicle with wich they can make heroin better (Sanchez for example) All the above said things can be done in 1 day. For the future. -Keep making heroin in multiple shacks. -While making heroin, they can plant a small weed field or multiple small fields with 20 seeds max. -When they have made enough money, they can start investing it in renting out a weed house. -Plant weed in the weed house and go back to making heroin -When you have reached 1m, you can start buying drugs and reselling them for higher price. This way you will be able to get larger amount of drug quantity and reach your goal faster. Drug dealers usually offer higher p/g for larger amounts as well as if you do it more frequently. Usually the breaking points are around 0-1kg 1kg-3kg 3kg-5kg 5kg-10kg 10kg-20kg 20kg+. Ask your dealer about how much you should get so he would start offering you more. And keep doing it. So yea, keep doing this and you can become pretty rich. Do this while using your brain tho and remember that there is FBI. For future I can suggest you to.. -keep producing and dealing -rent out more weed houses as it's a very good way of making money -rent out grape farms -keep looking for opportunities of making money -Invest in good businesses. -You can try flipping properties and vehicles (buying and selling for higher price) For future I would suggest you to avoid.. -Gambling. This is a good way to win and lose money -Buying houses which you don't need. -Buying businesses. Most 24/7, tool stores, seed shops, restaurants don't make shit. You might buy the business for 1m (value+profit), but you will get like 10k a month in your actual net profit. By net profit I mean the profit witch you get after restocking and taxes. -Avoid shootouts, this is a good way to burn money. Tho... That's why most people are here anyway.

Is it just me or this doesn't make sense in any way as to why this is even a thing. Here is my opinion about this. Feel free to leave your opinion about this in comments. This is a discussion. Don't go ape mode. Feel free to disagree with someones opinion while being civil about it, do it with proper arguments. Discuss about problem, not about people. The server economy is unbalanced. Correct. Yet you were the ones who made the economy this way and instead of fixing it the proper way, you have decided to tax the rich? How will that fix the economy? I see it as pushing the rich players who have worked their asses off for years if not longer out of the server. Rich keep getting richer. Why people are rich at the first place.. -They have been playing the server from beginning and they made their money back when it was a bit easier -They have invested in businesses (such as ammunations, PnS, clothing stores) -They have gambled -They have grinded a lot -They are just smart and they have made the right choices of getting money -They are most likely criminals as it is easier to make money in illegal way -They have a farm The ways people can get richer if they have a lot of money.. -Investing in good businesses -Gambling -Drug dealing -Using weed houses -Renting a farm Poor keeps getting poorer. The ones who are poor are either.. -The ones who joined the server in last few months -They haven't figured out the good ways of making money -They are working in low paid jobs (such as police, medic, fireman (or basically other legal jobs)) and it's impossible to get millions with such jobs -They are lazy and don't do anything to get more money -They just don't want to get money at first place The ways people usually get broke.. -They gamble -They don't have any money making assets (farms, businesses, weed houses) -They spend unnecessarly (mainly shootouts) -They don't do anything do get money

What is your Discord account? Christian/ iTheNoo#6547 When did you get banned? 01/01/2020 What is the ban reason? Questioning Eduardos Respect. Personal comment It happened pretty long time ago, but as far as I remember this happened.. There was some kind of conversation going on. Eduardo said something, which I can't recall what it was. I questioned Eduardo if he was disrespecting me with that message. He told me that I can't be respected so it's impossible to disrespect me. At this point I got pretty offended that he disrespected me like that, saying that I can't even be disrespected. So I started questioning if he is respected himself, because I felt like he thinks too much of himself. He couldn't give me an answer, so I started questioning if he can name at least (3 or 5 people) who respect him, to which he didn't reply.. And at the end I got banned. I feel like this is very disrespectful towards me and I shouldn't have got banned. As well as it seems like my questioning triggered him as he couldn't really answer so he used his admin powers against me to get me banned.

Makes sense.

Good so see that there is some guy like this. However, I do not understand why was he compared to criminals. >moncef htiti does not use governments money or invests his time into purposeless shootouts and does not pursue the stereotipical dreams of being and invincible and untouchable Chief of SAPD/ FBI director.