Some suggestions we received from a player

[LocMax]

We received a suggestion on our PM from a player with the following suggestions - the question here is how many of people would support these suggestions?

 

On 6/15/2020 at 1:19 PM, Somebody said:

Hi all,

 

Got a number of suggestions below that I thought could contribute to altering the current DM culture in the server. Yes, it is a "player" problem, but the system encourages it through the current rules and how some administration choose to enforce them. Some of the items below could contribute to bringing some RP back.

 

> Make death awkward
      > Strip clothing items?
      > Spawn location - hospital only?
      > 5 minute delay on respawn?
      > Causes more "hate" on death, needs more management of DMing..
      > Encourages you to think before entering a situation
      > Unable to re-equip/use weaponry for 10 minutes after being death
      > Unable to be rob or be robbed for 15 minutes after death (discourage robberies)

 

> Change police/criminal system
      > Encourage people not to be caught as a suspect
      > Stop weapons being removed automatically when jailed (would only be removed for violent crimes by the officer)
      > Death as a suspect results in a fine (jail does not)
      > Interview by Lead Trooper+ to go on Volunteer Duty - would be valid for 48 hours?

 

> More management of DM
      > Harsher punishments
      > Admin education 
      > Swifter response to requested revives etc

 

> Review of turf/ally system
      > Initial alliances were only formed as groups kept losing at turf wars
      > Make turf ownership more RP based (similar system to raiding a HQ - RP plan to claim a turf)
      > Alliances would have to be truly RP based, not on a script

 

> Reformed weapon licensing system
      > Interviews?
      > Criminal history (crime in last week?)
      > Could also promote "illegal weapon sales" between players

 

> Review of map blips
      > "Good" RPers generally see servers with blips as a joke
      > Multiple arguments start as result of blips
      > Could be dynamically added/removed based on playercount (higher = removal) or time (peak time they are removed)

 

[CraZe]

I like this one.

 

 

Suggestion: add the ability to cancel revive with the new script, /sa doesnt work anymore

Edited June 16, 2020 by CraZe

[Solis]

Thats actually nice.

[Ben Blake]

Looks good to me.

[Silvester_Aaron]

no one is gonna wait 5 minutes to respawn thats just bullshit.

[M.Rochi]

Blips should automatically be toggled off of the server reaches 50+ players in-game.

 

About the other “discouraging DM” suggestions, add that and mudoo dramatically starts to die. The guy said it himself, promotes More hate when dying, In what way would that be helpful? Just creates more toxicity.

 

harsher punishments - Sure.

 

alliance thing - works both script wise and in a roleplay matter 

 

“death as a suspect” if you die, the situation you were in is voided how and why would you get fined, that’s stupid. You already get fined 2-3k when killed by a cop or when in turf.

 

“Make death awkward” - RIP MUDOO 2017-2020 DIED OF CANCER.

 

Those are my opinions on the suggestions, have a great day

[TheAssassin]

1 minute ago, Irishman said:

Blips should automatically be toggled off of the server reaches 50+ players in-game.

 

About the other “discouraging DM” suggestions, add that and mudoo dramatically starts to die. The guy said it himself, promotes More hate when dying, In what way would that be helpful? Just creates more toxicity.

 

harsher punishments - Sure.

 

alliance thing - works both script wise and in a roleplay matter 

 

“death as a suspect” if you die, the situation you were in is voided how and why would you get fined, that’s stupid. You already get fined 2-3k when killed by a cop or when in turf.

 

“Make death awkward” - RIP MUDOO 2017-2020 DIED OF CANCER.

 

Those are my opinions on the suggestions, have a great day

Same.

[Ben Blake]

1 hour ago, Irishman said:

 

About the other “discouraging DM” suggestions, add that and mudoo dramatically starts to die. The guy said it himself, promotes More hate when dying, In what way would that be helpful? Just creates more toxicity.

 

No, the lack of loss when you die promotes death-matching. If people prefer to die than be arrested then there's a problem.

The suggestions are to reduce the amount of time people die.

 

> Go in shootout, don't lose anything.

OR

> Turn yourself in, do some roleplay but get items taken.

 

No quips about volunteers please, that's already addressed in the suggestion list above as a counter-balance.

[Pain_Wick]

13 minutes ago, Ben Blake said:

urn yourself in, do some roleplay but get items taken.

I'll happily do jail time then

[Champion]

Every server is unique we dont need the same type of server everywhere

[TheAssassin]

1 hour ago, Ben Blake said:

 

No, the lack of loss when you die promotes death-matching. If people prefer to die than be arrested then there's a problem.

The suggestions are to reduce the amount of time people die.

 

> Go in shootout, don't lose anything.

OR

> Turn yourself in, do some roleplay but get items taken.

 

No quips about volunteers please, that's already addressed in the suggestion list above as a counter-balance.

knock out feature was added for the Above reasons.

[M.Rochi]

3 minutes ago, TheAssassin said:

knock out feature was added for the Above reasons.

 

[Ben Blake]

Top RP though, gunning someone down to revive them 

[Leon]

> Make death awkward
      > Strip clothing items? - I'd be into this if it were possible to get the player's skin butt ass naked.
      > Spawn location - hospital only? Most players would find this to be an annoyance, and would take away one of the main benefits of owning a house.
      > 5 minute delay on respawn? I doubt this will have any measurable effect aside from being a monumental annoyance, especially considering the number of bugs (GTA or script) that can kill you, as well as the accident-prone nature of playing a game. I bet if this were implemented, players would immediately beg for it to be removed. If this were implemented, there would have to be some serious re-evaluation of how death and shooting plays a role into the server in order to reduce to the frequency of situations that would result in death.
      > Unable to re-equip/use weaponry for 10 minutes after being death - This would suck especially if enemies happen to be around where you are spawning, I see very little purpose to this. Yes, we can make rules for this, but it's not necessary to "force" a feature in such a way.
      > Unable to be rob or be robbed for 15 minutes after death (discourage robberies) - Once again, this only seems like it'll inconvenience players, without any positive measurable results.

 

> Change police/criminal system
      > Encourage people not to be caught as a suspect - This should be the status quo. We want to make consequences of getting caught harsh enough to discourage getting caught, but not so harsh that playing a criminal becomes inaccessible.
      > Stop weapons being removed automatically when jailed (would only be removed for violent crimes by the officer) - Absolutely yes. This would make people more willing to surrender for more minor infractions, resulting in an opportunity to avoid DM against cops. Weapons are expensive, especially for poorer players. Weapon removal should not be left at the discretion of officers, because it will be difficult to deal with officers who abuse this privilege - "It's an IC matter."
      > Death as a suspect results in a fine (jail does not) - Yes. This would further encourage players to consider surrendering as an option. However, depending how this is implemented, this might not bother richer players. Of course, we could always make the fine based off of a percentage rather than a fixed amount. And could always set that amount to reflect the total of banked cash and cash on hand. *eyeroll*
      > Interview by Lead Trooper+ to go on Volunteer Duty - would be valid for 48 hours? - Freecops in general should have at least SOME stricter requirement or personal training. However, any increased requirements to become a Freecop will limit the SAPD's army of freecops they can equip with sniper to do their bidding against massive criminal alliances on the server. An interview would be a good, simple way to at least lightly screen people. This way of becoming acquainted would also be a great gateway to establish relations between new Freecops and SAPD, and possibly open the door for a promotion or some other, should they choose to apply.

 

> More management of DM
      > Harsher punishments 
      > Admin education 
      > Swifter response to requested revives etc - The issue with DM rules is that although it sounds like a black and white rule (do not kill people without a good reason), there are so many factors that come into play that ultimately contributes to an admin's decision when it comes to a DM situation. There's instances of DM that happen out of shear ignorance for certain rules, or out of misunderstanding. Then there's instances of DM to troll, antagonize people OOCly, and having a few too many cases of "it was a misunderstanding." Admins need to be educated on some different factors that come into play when judging someone for deathmatching. For instance, if somebody started shooting someone from an enemy group who wasnt involved in a situation they're in right now but wears the same tag as the enemy, an admin should be less keen on banning the person shooting for a simple misunderstanding. Also, sometimes if a group of people are aiming or in a really tense situation and someone misclicks, rational thought goes out the window and everybody thinks that's the signal to start shooting, and it gets really messy really quick. Admins should be provided the wisdom on how to deal with these different types of situations, so that they don't unfairly punish someone too harshly, nor do they allow toxic players to get away with deathmatching.

 

As far as swifter revive times, I've received mixed results with this. Sometimes I get revived in seconds, sometimes it really drags on. There's been times that I've requested a revive via /support then politely bugged the admin after some time, and was told they cannot help me right now because they are in an RP. I thought admin duties came first? Although it's more or less an admin's job to baby sit, admins should also prioritize making gameplay a smoother experience for players, and be rapidly responsive to helping players with glitches.

There should be an admin command to determine whether or not a BLS kit was used on somebody recently, to prevent dishonest players from trying to get a quick revive. It might even be a good idea to allow Moderators to revive.

 

> Review of turf/ally system
      > Initial alliances were only formed as groups kept losing at turf wars
      > Make turf ownership more RP based (similar system to raiding a HQ - RP plan to claim a turf) - I would have to see this idea elaborated on, because I feel like that would require a serious rehashing of the turf system. Admittedly, coming up with a whole new concept for a turf system is a bit out of my pay grade. As it stands, groups from San Fierro, Bone County, or wherever are contesting for turfs in places all over the map that they don't actually care about, aside from the scripted benefits they provide. Also I feel like the turf system accidentally alienates smaller groups, who are then forced to join up with 1 of the 2 big alliances to survive (this is a common problem I'm sure we're all aware of to begin with). 
      > Alliances would have to be truly RP based, not on a script - All alliances should be this way - the script alliance feature only exists to supplement the roleplay, as do all of the scripts in general. You are not required to /groupally somebody to still be allies with them.

 

> Reformed weapon licensing system
      > Interviews? - We would have the issue of limited availability and lack of convenience. You would see this issue play out with the Driving School if it was player run like it was in AG.
      > Criminal history (crime in last week?) - This would be useful for any cop who wants to jail based on criminal history, but most cops just jail depending on how they're feeling in that moment anyway.
      > Could also promote "illegal weapon sales" between players - This would definitely drive up illegal weapon prices if anything.

 

> Review of map blips
      > "Good" RPers generally see servers with blips as a joke
      > Multiple arguments start as result of blips
      > Could be dynamically added/removed based on playercount (higher = removal) or time (peak time they are removed)

Server management has already been discussing this in more detail than I could possibly touch on

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Leon

[Queen]

On 6/16/2020 at 12:14 PM, Ben Blake said:

Looks good to me.

 

[Sauron]

Why not, +1.