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3 minutes ago, LocMax said:

the business item prices are being updated and will be giving businesses more profits and also we're going to help county businesses by increasing item prices in ls and keeping them same in county which will motivate people more to buy items in counties

This will be good.

But when this update coming?

Waiting

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30 minutes ago, LocMax said:

the business item prices are being updated and will be giving businesses more profits and also we're going to help county businesses by increasing item prices in ls and keeping them same in county which will motivate people more to buy items in counties

I think this is reality rn. I am always goin to countryside to etc fill up gas or buy some products. 

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6 hours ago, Oscar said:

Well, wil you make also IRL a reddit post about tax or what?

If the government started taking money from civilian saving accounts, without a doubt no one would like it. So I can bet that there would be huge protests if not assasinations going on in case something like this happened. It is normal to have income taxes in most countries, however I have never heard of government taxing money from savings accounts. And also, go ask your mum how the taxes work. Ask if government takes the taxes from her bank account or does the goverment takes taxes whenever she gets salary (income).

6 hours ago, Oscar said:

RP-Wise the GOV earn nothing from us In-game

They actally do. They get money from the current taxes we have- tolls, vehicle taxes, property taxes. 

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6 hours ago, Oscar said:

Are you playing for money or fun, you dont need money to roleplay.

You don't need money to roleplay, especially if you are a cop when you get everything for free and don't have to buy anything. However, you do need money to buy things. And money is a great motivation to interact with eachother as it gives some kind of reward to you and you can do a lot of things with money. 
-You wouldn't be able to buy a vehicle without money
-You woun't be able to buy a property without money
-You wouldn't be able to buy items from shops without money
-You wouldn't interact with trucking companies if there was no money as I the whole reason they do it is... for money
-You wouldn't make drug deals without money
-You wouldn't make weapon sales without money
-You wouldn't pay a fine without money
-You wouldn't do most things if it wasn't for money.

 

6 hours ago, Oscar said:

You can roleplay as a hobo also.

Why would someone do that? 
 

5 hours ago, LocMax said:

However, those who want to be big millionaires should be working to maintain their wealth instead of just sitting inactive and having such large amounts of money or assets. 

Those who want to be big millionares became millionares for that exact reason. When you are poor, you work for money. When you are rich, you make money work for you.

 

5 hours ago, glock17. said:

Personally i dont see a problem with this.

Most people don't see it as a problem, because they haven't put time and effort into getting rich. Yet for those who did, it's a pretty big problem.

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4 hours ago, Champion said:

Half of the kids on this thread don't know the difference in income tax and wealth tax

Yep. It's because most of them are kids and they haven't worked to get a loaf of bread. All they see is that mummy and daddy go to work in morning, come back in the evening and food appears in their fridge.
Same thing could be said about all other economy related stuff (such as the difference between profit, net profit, income and so on) ''Bro I Am Get 50k Profit Daily'' yet they don't consider that it's not actual profit as they have to restock it, pay for crate delivery, pay for property taxes.. So in reality they maybe get like 5k if not even lose profit if they haven't set the prices right. 

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so trucking company will get lesser profit, since they have to pay for employee salary and wealth taxes.  and i will have to pay $1m-5m a month? omg i was thinking to make a new business that will benefit employees even more, but i have to pay the tax. 


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20 hours ago, Christian said:

Poor keeps getting poorer. 

The ones who are poor are either..
-The ones who joined the server in last few months
-They haven't figured out the good ways of making money
-They are working in low paid jobs (such as police, medic, fireman (or basically other legal jobs)) and it's impossible to get millions with such jobs

-They are lazy and don't do anything to get more money

-They just don't want to get money at first place


The ways people usually get broke..
-They gamble
-They don't have any money making assets (farms, businesses, weed houses)
-They spend unnecessarly (mainly shootouts)
-They don't do anything do get money

 

Yeah i agree with this i know someone who hates legal/illegal work but wants to buy weapon for turf and shooting sit. and now ended up in appeal section because using of money hack because of laziness.
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In order to RP you need money. The exact amount of money required to do your RP the way you want, depends on your background story. You cant RP as a Mafia Capo and have 1mil total networth.
As long as you are active and you are not breaking any rule I dont see why you can't keep your money. Taxing 10% the guy that has 200mil will kill his networth from the first month (20 mil in Tax - there are groups that are not worth that much). Taxing him between 0.5 - 1 % would still get the state between 1 mil - 2 mil and it is still a lot for both parties. 
The graph below shows what you should improve. Determine the players at the extremes to join the "Ideal RP" diagram without impacting all the others that are working for their assets. 
https://ibb.co/t4PCckQ

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11 minutes ago, CrapTree said:

so trucking company will get lesser profit, since they have to pay for employee salary and wealth taxes.  and i will have to pay $1m-5m a month? omg i was thinking to make a new business that will benefit employees even more, but i have to pay the tax. 


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Wrong. Trucking companies will most likely get the same profit as they did before as they added wealth tax, not income tax.
This is how trucking companies get profit..
The client pays them 300$ per delivered crate
The employees deliver the crates and they get paid 275$ per crate
The owners get 25$ per delivered crate
In order for the money to be taxed, the company would need to earn 3m profit which means they would have to deliver 120 000 crates = 2400 trucks full of crates. However, most of the money would go back to where company invested their money - to buy vehicles, fuel, PnS. And in the end the owners would get a small cut of it for themselves as their actual salary. 
So no, they probably won't get taxed unless they have 3m+ in their group bank account. 

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23 minutes ago, CrapTree said:

so trucking company will get lesser profit, since they have to pay for employee salary and wealth taxes.  and i will have to pay $1m-5m a month? omg i was thinking to make a new business that will benefit employees even more, but i have to pay the tax. 


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If they added income tax, it would work like this..
The income tax would be 10%
The client pays them 300$ per delivered crate
The employees deliver the crates and they get paid 270$ per crate (before taxes a.k.a. bruto)
The owners get 30$ per delivered crate (before taxes a.k.a bruto)
The employees actual salary be 243$ per crate (after taxes a.k.a. netto)
The owners actual income would be 27$ per crate (after taxes a.k.a netto)

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2 minutes ago, CraZe said:

imagine caring about cash in a samp server LoL

Well.. It's apparent that the management and players care about it. If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't have added such thing and people wouldn't be complaining. 

Also,

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The ones who are poor are either..

-They are lazy and don't do anything to get more money

-They just don't want to get money at first place

This is you. Not everyone is like you.

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1 minute ago, Christian said:

Well.. It's apparent that the management and players care about it. If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't have added such thing and people wouldn't be complaining. 

Also,

This is you. Not everyone is like you.

never said i am poor. my point is money shouldn't be a such a big concern in a samp roleplay server. play the game for fun instead of making racks that u will never get to spend properly

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1 minute ago, CraZe said:

never said i am poor. my point is money shouldn't be a such a big concern in a samp roleplay server. play the game for fun instead of making racks that u will never get to spend properly

You are poor. 
>Ramo pls give money. 
>Pete pls give money I need armour and guns
>Works in PD to get guns for free
>Takes 50 sniper from warehouse for shootout for free.
>Doesn't put any time and effort into getting things

Well.. Duh, you don't understand why the money should be a concern, if you never had it and never understood how it works when you haven't done anything to get it. 
Some people enjoy having money as that is one less thing they should worry about. As well as they don't want to be pathetic and constantly begging others for money or items. 

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1 minute ago, Buddah. said:

I forgot Officer Jacobs of the LAPD has to pay for his own Glock 19. 

My point isn't that cops shouldn't get guns for free or something.
My point is the fact that Mr. Craze can't understand why money is such a big concern for others, because he hasn't done anything to get it and he been getting everything from someone else. 

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26 minutes ago, CraZe said:

never said i am poor. my point is money shouldn't be a such a big concern in a samp roleplay server. play the game for fun instead of making racks that u will never get to spend properly

u just lost all ur money in casino to me lmao xd

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11 minutes ago, Christian said:

My point isn't that cops shouldn't get guns for free or something.
My point is the fact that Mr. Craze can't understand why money is such a big concern for others, because he hasn't done anything to get it and he been getting everything from someone else. 

The rates are incredibly low in my opinion. I wanted higher personally. There becomes a point where money is just sitting in peoples bank not being used. The fact is, looking at the data, there's only a handful who stand to lose a decent amount of cash from this tax, although comparatively to their net worth, it's peanuts. 

 

Business owner always have, and always will have to continue working and building their income streams. Like Locmax said previously, the issue isn't people with a below $10m net worth, it's those who horde copious amounts of assets and money, yet this money isn't trickling down in the economy because they are inactive and coming IG to collect profits and quitting again. 

 

To be frank, the ones moaning about it are the ones who stand to lose a couple hundred thousand from their multi-million net worth, if you put this negative energy into generating another revenue stream, you'd probably negate the tiny loss your gigantic net worth will take from being taxed. 

 

You can't have it all, be active and build your net worth, or stay inactive and watch the number dwindle because you're too lazy to maintain your bank account.   

 

 

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2 hours ago, Christian said:
8 hours ago, Oscar said:

You can roleplay as a hobo also.

Why would someone do that? 

If I was broke I would do that.

You guys are thinking money is all, let me tell you this is a GAME and VIRTUAL MONEY Who cares about that

If you have fun you are good

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1 hour ago, Christian said:

Mr. Craze can't understand why money is such a big concern for others

You don't need 50M in your account to be able to buy guns, a 5M is more than enough to DM for days.

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